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Am I non-constructive and unfairly critical of Kaseya?

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So I got a call from somebody who I will not name @Kaseya today who is not happy with the “non-constructive criticism” that I have been voicing in my support tickets, webinar questions and forum posts.

If this is the case I want to change that as I don't like being negative as it can cause issues. My personal opinion is that he might be a little biased since he is a Kaseya employee/staff member however in the interest open mindedness to all the non-Kaseya employee community members only who care to share their honest opinion I will ask;

Q) In general are my community forums posts and responses non-constructive and unfairly critical of Kaseya?

If the answer is yes to the majority of feedback then I will seriously consider to moderate all my future post and responses. If the answer is no to the majority of feedback then I will continue on as normal.

I will also ask you guys to keep it clean as I don't want cause a problem I just want honest feedback

Thanks for your time in advance.

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  • If we answer in the positive we run the risk of a phonecall from the kneecappers at Kaseya and if we answer in the negative then we run the risk of alienating a valuable and respected contributor to this forum.

    So, forget it...   Big Smile

  • I've had a similar tap on the shoulder... I think its great to have these open forums and hear the negitive aspects. Kaseya Sales tell you everything positive, and you need to hear that balance. When I read negitive comments on the forums I don't suddenly decide I'm not going to use Kaseya. Nothing is perfect and if this forum area was all positive then I wouldn't trust it. As long as your not constantly repeating yourself then I think any criticism is good. If I see a negitive criticism and I agree then I add to the post in agreement. If enough people criticise the same thing then then surely that helps kaseya to see where the communities pain is... My guess was that Kaseya made Polic Management free due to complaints...

  • At the end of the day if Kaseya doesnt hear negative comments about its product it would think it is doing a 'fantastic' job and would eventually explode on its own opinion of itself.

    Negative opinions are needed in an open forum, it prevents despotism.

  • Do not ever change, i know i have been quiet around here for a while but im coming back soon i promise. I'd be tempted to move to a different platform should you change your tact, it is as good as censorship. There is a good reason why i come to the forums and it is because people like you have answers in advance of Kaseya support.

    I am the opposite end of the Kaseya spectrum where i go in and defend them a lot, and i too have been spoken to but it was a thank you call not a hold off call.

    Like Roba said, if they don't hear negative comments the company will never progress. Keep the good work mate.

    In all seriousness, forward your feedback to Gerald Blackie - hell if we all send him an email independantly voicing our concern of your treatment im sure he'd "whip the person into line" If i was a CEO and heard that rubbish happening i'd want blood plain and simple.

    Cheers Mark.

  • @HardKnoX  - The only way to improve Kaseya's products is to voice positive and negative feedback.  Everyone has their own viewpoints and use Kaseya's products in different ways with different experiences thus it is constructive to hear the negative feedback from other members as we can all benefit from knowing the existing issues and possible workarounds if any.

  • I too think the software has a lot of room for improvement and hope that's what my maintenance is going towards.  While it has certainly made my job (internal IT) easier I can't help but feel that there are better products out there.

    Deadlines are routinely missed yet there are often large bugs/shortcomings following releases.  I'm glad to see more activity on the forums.  I generally see that as a sign that more users have the product so hopefully the Kaseya staff (not sales but programming) is growing to step up to the plate.

  • I wouldn't change anything about the way you post. Kaseya has a consistent history of having a huge amount of bugs in their first release software, or it's missing common sense features that any logical person would assume would be there from day 1 (alerts in KAV anyone?). If they don't like hearing about those things on this forum, they either need to shut it down or change their development/testing process, not single out individual posters and give them a hard time.

    I've been fairly critical of Kaseya at times on here, but it's all been completely justified in my opinion, and I also feel I contribute to other threads helping people out. If anyone from Kaseya ever calls me like they did you, they'll get an earful on the phone and I'll probably start returning the Labtech salesguy's calls that I receive frequently.

  • Good morning HardKnoX,

    When I first read the subect line my first thought is HardKnoX must of wrote it. So the impression I get from you is you definitely like to hold Kaseya's feet to the fire. And you have no problem complaining about it, or asking for it.  In other words, you have a vocal type personality.

    Is this a bad thing? No. Because K is receiving valuable communications from you. They do not have to agree with everything you say (exactly how we treat our clients), but I'm willing to bet they do listen to a good bit of it.

    My thoughts.

  • keep it up! We are the customers, which provide for the daily bread

  • I've gotten that call too, so I sympathize. When I see any posts like that, I figure it's like a heated argument with my spouse. If I didn't care I wouldn't get so emotional. Kaseya is an awesome tool, but it's not perfect. It does so much to make my life easier that I've gotten really attached to it. So when it let's me down, it's hardf not to get really angry. But if I wasn't so attached to it I'd just say, "I'm outta here." That what I did with my *previous* MSP product. But it was doing such a poor job across the board that it was easy to divorce myself from it. Kaseya has issues, but it's not bad enough to start fighting over custody of the kids.

    I think Kaseya just needs to keep this perspective in mind. Sometimes we need to vent and commiserate with other users. They need to just listen to the criticism, decide what they will address and let us know. And tell us what they won't address too! Unless they are losing customers in droves, they should quietly allow the criticism. And if they are losing customers in droves, then they should encourage more, digest it, and improve the product.

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  • If we answer in the positive we run the risk of a phonecall from the kneecappers at Kaseya and if we answer in the negative then we run the risk of alienating a valuable and respected contributor to this forum.

    So, forget it...   Big Smile

  • @zippo thanks that was a very great diplomatic response Big Smile

  • I've had a similar tap on the shoulder... I think its great to have these open forums and hear the negitive aspects. Kaseya Sales tell you everything positive, and you need to hear that balance. When I read negitive comments on the forums I don't suddenly decide I'm not going to use Kaseya. Nothing is perfect and if this forum area was all positive then I wouldn't trust it. As long as your not constantly repeating yourself then I think any criticism is good. If I see a negitive criticism and I agree then I add to the post in agreement. If enough people criticise the same thing then then surely that helps kaseya to see where the communities pain is... My guess was that Kaseya made Polic Management free due to complaints...

  • At the end of the day if Kaseya doesnt hear negative comments about its product it would think it is doing a 'fantastic' job and would eventually explode on its own opinion of itself.

    Negative opinions are needed in an open forum, it prevents despotism.

  • Do not ever change, i know i have been quiet around here for a while but im coming back soon i promise. I'd be tempted to move to a different platform should you change your tact, it is as good as censorship. There is a good reason why i come to the forums and it is because people like you have answers in advance of Kaseya support.

    I am the opposite end of the Kaseya spectrum where i go in and defend them a lot, and i too have been spoken to but it was a thank you call not a hold off call.

    Like Roba said, if they don't hear negative comments the company will never progress. Keep the good work mate.

    In all seriousness, forward your feedback to Gerald Blackie - hell if we all send him an email independantly voicing our concern of your treatment im sure he'd "whip the person into line" If i was a CEO and heard that rubbish happening i'd want blood plain and simple.

    Cheers Mark.

  • @HardKnoX  - The only way to improve Kaseya's products is to voice positive and negative feedback.  Everyone has their own viewpoints and use Kaseya's products in different ways with different experiences thus it is constructive to hear the negative feedback from other members as we can all benefit from knowing the existing issues and possible workarounds if any.

  • I too think the software has a lot of room for improvement and hope that's what my maintenance is going towards.  While it has certainly made my job (internal IT) easier I can't help but feel that there are better products out there.

    Deadlines are routinely missed yet there are often large bugs/shortcomings following releases.  I'm glad to see more activity on the forums.  I generally see that as a sign that more users have the product so hopefully the Kaseya staff (not sales but programming) is growing to step up to the plate.

  • I wouldn't change anything about the way you post. Kaseya has a consistent history of having a huge amount of bugs in their first release software, or it's missing common sense features that any logical person would assume would be there from day 1 (alerts in KAV anyone?). If they don't like hearing about those things on this forum, they either need to shut it down or change their development/testing process, not single out individual posters and give them a hard time.

    I've been fairly critical of Kaseya at times on here, but it's all been completely justified in my opinion, and I also feel I contribute to other threads helping people out. If anyone from Kaseya ever calls me like they did you, they'll get an earful on the phone and I'll probably start returning the Labtech salesguy's calls that I receive frequently.

  • Good morning HardKnoX,

    When I first read the subect line my first thought is HardKnoX must of wrote it. So the impression I get from you is you definitely like to hold Kaseya's feet to the fire. And you have no problem complaining about it, or asking for it.  In other words, you have a vocal type personality.

    Is this a bad thing? No. Because K is receiving valuable communications from you. They do not have to agree with everything you say (exactly how we treat our clients), but I'm willing to bet they do listen to a good bit of it.

    My thoughts.

  • keep it up! We are the customers, which provide for the daily bread

  • I'm not getting into this epeen situation :)

  • @HardKnox - You are a valuable member of our community.  Your vigor and your expertise are appreciated here.  As with all electronic communications, tone is always the tricky part.  For those of us that watch and have learned your "digital personality" we have a solid base of context with which to understand your valuable perspective and contributions.  I think the tone part is what prompted that phone call.

    @Everyone - I love conversation.  I love that we have an honest community.  Things I don't think help contribute to an effective community are: mis-information, assumptions not rooted in fact, personal attacks, vulgarity, threats, porn....I'll stop there because I think you get the idea.  I have been leaned on very heavily at times internally for what others think I "have allowed" to be posted in the community.  I stand by my conviction though, that open uncensored conversation breeds trust, accountability, learning, and growth for all of us, and the conversations, criticism, suggestions may sometimes be a 2 way street.  I digress; I don't want this to degrade into a rant board.  More often than not, I hope you will see that Kaseya values the contribution of each community member even if at times we aren't happy with it.  :)

  • Thanks, Brendan. I was keeping up with you just fine until I hit the "no porn" part. Can we negotiate? Crying  --- Ha! Just kidding...

  • I've gotten that call too, so I sympathize. When I see any posts like that, I figure it's like a heated argument with my spouse. If I didn't care I wouldn't get so emotional. Kaseya is an awesome tool, but it's not perfect. It does so much to make my life easier that I've gotten really attached to it. So when it let's me down, it's hardf not to get really angry. But if I wasn't so attached to it I'd just say, "I'm outta here." That what I did with my *previous* MSP product. But it was doing such a poor job across the board that it was easy to divorce myself from it. Kaseya has issues, but it's not bad enough to start fighting over custody of the kids.

    I think Kaseya just needs to keep this perspective in mind. Sometimes we need to vent and commiserate with other users. They need to just listen to the criticism, decide what they will address and let us know. And tell us what they won't address too! Unless they are losing customers in droves, they should quietly allow the criticism. And if they are losing customers in droves, then they should encourage more, digest it, and improve the product.

  • Keep up the non-constructive as it is constructive.    Mabee it will get thru to them that the reliability is not what it should be before everyone jumps ship.   At thie moment i type this I am receiving an database error when connecting to Saas3 as my customer waits for support.